A new red route making it illegal for vehicles to stop or load has been painted on London Road.
A section of London Road just south of Preston Circus has been painted with double red lines, replacing the old double yellow lines.
More red lines are due to be painted on the A23 from Cheapside to the junction of Preston Road and South Road.
Red lines are also coming to Lewes Road, between Elm Grove and the Vogue Gyratory. All are initially experimental and will be reviewed after six months.
The penalty for stopping on a red route is £70, reduced to £35 if paid in 14 days, monitored by automatic number plate recognition (ANPR).
The rest of London Road is due to be part of the red route, with more designated loading bays for businesses and disabled parking spots for blue badge holders.
The changes were approved by councillors in December at a meeting of the Brighton and Hove City Council Transport and Sustainability Committee.
From April, a six-month consultation will allow residents and traders to give feedback on how the red routes work.
im sure all the albanian coke dealers will respect these
3for£100 if interested
I’m sure the traders/restaurants/bars will love the scheme (are taxis included). As a driver I ask WHAT ABOUT THE POT HOLES. Councillors getting their principles wrong again. What a surprise!
This appears to be the first TFL Red Route outside of London. Is there some sort of franchising or licensing scheme going on between TFL and BHCC? How is this needed or legal in a small city a thirtieth of the size of London? Was there any economic risk assessment done to see how it would impact local businesses first?
Nothing to do with TFL. And not the only red zone outside of LDN 😂
Isle of Wight has a Red Zone, though most of us don’t have a clue what it means..lol
How will taxi drivers drop and pick up passengers?
They can’t
All councils who work for us, are full on control freaks, time for farmers to say hello in this part of the world
Hello farmers!
“The changes were approved by councillors in December, at a meeting of the Transport and Sustainability Committee”
Barry do some reading instead of just inane ranting. You’ll be better informed.
The report and minutes of the meeting are available on the councils website.
Nothing to do with Transport for London.
No franchising or licencing, why would there be.
How is it needed, seriously you need to ask, you’ve obviously not been down London road for a good few years.
Risk assessment ? 10 plus Dilveroo stationed outside MacD’s 24/7 impacting Bus services and causing CONGESTION and POLUTION, pedestrian near misses daily, highway obstruction in a clearway area.
Of course it’s legal, explain why it wouldn’t be.
Ah yes , more fund raising
Kerching!
Next step ULEZ !!
Got I in one.👌👌
My business is on London Road… this is an absolute disaster for the whole street… how do we get deliveries? How do customers collect from us? How do I unload to or from my shop? The whole road complained and were ignored. There is absolutely no grounds for this to be imposed on us. Right now I can’t imagine extending my lease on the shop once it expires next year.
Good there needs to be red routes all over Brighton and hove
Why do you want to close businesses down?
Penalising Entitled motorists stopping in the middle of a street = wanting businesses to close.
Alright mate.
Why do you think that traffic, moving or parked, is good for local business? If traffic is removed from shopping areas, retail sales go up.
M
Hmm, so a parked vehicle might indicated the person who parked it might actually be spending their cash in one of the shops but there again I might be completely wrong.
So if we take away parking completely from shopping areas how in your wildest dreams do you think sales will increase?
Be very interested in how you came to this strange thought.
It isn’t a thought it’s a fact. Take 10 minutes of your time to research this, to be fair I also thought the same until I looked into it.
Nobody’s taking car parking away from shopping areas, just moving it so that it’s “behind the scenes”. There’s plenty of car parking in the London Road parking building just around the corner.
Pedestrianisation of areas has been shown to increase footfall and retail sales. While we’re not quite ready for full pedestrianisation of London Road, at least these measures will improve the traffic flow of public transport.
M is actually right on this, footfall increases where places become pedestrianised. It’s theorised that’s because you get a lot more browsing and unplanned spending rather than intentional shopping; the later would happen regardless, because it’s intentional.
M
Evidence is mixed depending on the circumstances.
There’s been plenty of reports of businesses suffering from parking restrictions all across the country, increased price’s and the ULEZ also being blamed for a downturn.
John Walker,
I know they’re not taking away parking spaces, I was being a little tongue in cheek if not sarcastic taking literally what they said ‘removing parking in shopping area’s’.
Yes there is parking nearby, but most of the offenders are food delivery.
Idiots who are to self entitled to not park on double yellow lines and block the road is affecting businesses much more than forcing the selfish few to actually park where they are meant to, or good heavens dare they maybe consider public transport
I charge by the hour, so if you ever need my services and I have to park elsewhere and charge you my hourly rate for walking 30 minutes each way at £120/hour and you are happy to pay, that’s OK with me.
Obviously this will also apply to any services you want, from your kitchen appliances being serviced, plumbing, building, electrical services, surveys, whatever. It’s fine by us if that’s what you want.
Why would you have ever thought that as a tradie it was okay for you to park on double-yellows anyway?
It’s attitudes like yours, thinking you can just park anywhere, that have resulted in the double-reds being installed.
How is parking Correctly going to make you have to walk 30 mins, you going to park in Preston park to work in London road? The nonsense people spaff. Equally how many jobs in the last 10 years have you done in that not even half mile stretch of road lol wet wipe.
How will taxis pick up and drop off passengers?
It’s all about sharing, the council just wants a bigger share of other peoples money, guaranteed 100% nothing in return.
But so easy to avoid!
dont want a speeding fine then don’t speed
don’t want a bus gate fine then don’t drive in a bus gate
don’t want a parkign fine then don’t park where you shouldn’t
don’t want a fine for engine idling then don’t idle your engine
ALL very easily avoided. And every millions of motorists somehow manage to avoid those fines!
Yep even easier, avoid brighton like the plague, who will the council target next i wonder?
Hundreds of businesses and delivery vehicles need to stop next to shops. It’s been like that since ages. It’s already hard to do, and it just became an even bigger nightmare. More access points need to be created instead of making life harder. Traffic system in Brighton has been a joke since ages and very little improvement happened so far. Going down instead
There’s loading bays for deliveries. Maybe look at the plan
But Chris, so many motorists fail to do these basic things in equal measure, hahaha! Oh…that’s a poor indictment of the population at large…
I’ll say what I said else where….
Where do you think that the money goes? Did you know that the money raised from parking and traffic enforcement measures is exclusively spent on the city transport network? It’s like people think it vanishes into the void. The councils finances are transparent, and anything not readily available can be obtained via a simple FOI request.
Pretty much as you say, minus a few commercially sensitive things.
£6m a year guess to Brighton and Hove buses, a privately owned business that regularly enjoys profits of over £20m.
Indeed
The concessionary bus passes for pensioners and the disabled are funded from the surplus.
That’s getting on for £ 11m a year that would otherwise have to come from council tax if the parking surplus didn’t exist. Plus another £1.7m on subsidising certain bus routes.
The council publishes full accounts every year on parking income / expenditure
Here is the 2022 / 2023 report
https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/parking/parking-annual-report-2022-2023
If they do this on an annual basis, how did they manage to miss the parking meter fraud that occured over a period of years, and thus lose £3m of public money!?
Why should non motorists be exempt from contributing to free bus passes for pensioners and disabled people? Surely this public service should be contributed to by everyone.
What bus routes are funded through parking revenue please?
Taxing the selfish actually means lower council tax for the rest of us normal humans who understand that you don’t park on double yellow lines. Funnily enough the vast majority of the idiots who don’t understand that are driving less than 3 miles so could have easily used a bus, escooter, bike or their legs to do the same thing. Or even used their car but parked in a parking space rather than the middle of the busiest road in the southeast. Zero sympathy. Delivery drivers can use loading bays now that they will be policed so that’s a non issue, again caused by a few very selfish idiots. As the for the disabled, use a bay and if you can’t walk get a disability scooter, the government pay for them for you if you genuinely need one.
When are all the potholes going to be fixed? Sadly no revenue incentive there for the council.
Honestly, I have had every pothole I have reported fixed within the week, over the last six months in my area. Makes me wonder what the difference is between me, and those complaining.
Smells like your nose fits where others don”t,, or won”t
You say brown-nosing, I say effective communication. Also, the ability to navigate a simple repair request online form works wonders.
You attract more bees with honey Stan, the proof is in my road, free of potholes.
And what area do you live in so we can see the evidence.
Matt, can’t miss it. It’s the one without potholes in it.
Love this. Complains to the right department and the pothole is fixed. Others rant on social media and nothing changes.
I don’t even complain, I ask nicely! Council are usually pretty responsive to amicable requests.
Excellent more needed
Cyclists rule… Get fit.
Want to help me get your new kitchen worktop with all my tools onto your bicycle?
Or are you thinking that your limited situation must apply to everyone on the planet?
Not. Very. Bright.
Do you live in Trumpton?
Stop Judas, you’ll put Miles out of business.
Cycles are best
Are you a child?
So glad we moved out of Brighton. 🤣
Fair enough! People, including me, just parked where we liked, ignoring double yellow lines. Park, get out look up and down street, good, no wardens around, so pop in nearby shop. No payment for parking legally, quick access to shop for a quick purchase then jump in and drive off. Bugger the blocked bike lane or obstruction, slowing bus services. Not enough wardens to carry out proper enforcement, so now cameras will be on duty on the spot, all the time. I don’t care much as I’m willing to walk a distance as part of my daily exercise and flash my bus pass to travel longer distances. No intention of donating to council coffers.
Well if you could ld park on side streets for free lights like in the “olden days” then it would not be an issue, i went into brighton for a meal with my 79 year old mum last week, could not park anywhere for free, tried multiple places in brighton and then hove, ended up at the jack and jill at clayton (really nice) in the end so a lot of local brighton businesses lost out on our custom and we wasted petrol driving around looking for somewhere to park, never had that issue in my 20’s and 30’s no wonder brighton is so run down business wise now!
Lived in Brighton all my life, second most expensive parking to London. Development of the roads has caused a down turn in tourism. Most of the major London to Brighton events now cancelled losong on average £20million per weekend in extra revenue.
Economy completely dependent on students.
London road flowed much better before the pavement by old sainsbury’s (Cheapside) was widened. Previously you could get two buses passing with two buses parked. Now you can’t even get one bus passed with a bus at stops either side of the road.
The whole Old Stien Development is just a worse version of the messy plan that was implemented years ago by non-local planners.
Incorrect. BHCC events have doubled in revenue over the last year, according to the public consultation three weeks ago.
So you wasted a fiver in fuel and a bunch of time instead of just buying a ticket for a couple of £… IQ test would return a negative result
How are these cameras going to monitor the moped mafia?
The same way they monitor cars, I’d imagine Mark.
What a disgusting measure. There are businesses in that road.
Rather than creating ways to support those businesses, more measures to spook drivers away.
Do council know that crime spikes on poverty? Closing businesses is just poverty. Were residents on the area consulted on these road markings?
Well, that’s an opinion. Not really based on anything other than personal subjectivity, but an opinion nonetheless.
Yes residents (and businesees) were consulted on the red route.
No we weren’t!!!
Yes, we were. Failing to pay attention is a you problem.
Think on.! All theses schemes employ people.!
Civil servants ( all Union members) who can work at their own pace, ( work to rule) etc.
The councillors are on another planet. Spend our money willy nilly, then winge when they run out of funds. Manage the budget. I bet you do at home !!
Still want the route leading to the hospital to be a red route. People getting in the way of A&E are an especially selfish breed.
put bulldozer plates on the front of ambulances
The Fiats can pretty much push past a lot. The Mercs however, HART has totalled a few of those, ironically if you’re drunk driving, probably one of the better things to plow into is an ambulance full of HART paramedics…
To check the ends of yellow lines and even red lines because of there is no termination bar at the end of it then they are invalid. If there are breaks in the lines then they’re invalid. If there is no line over a drain cover, then the lines are invalid, so if something happened to cover them up God forbid, and you park there, you wouldn’t get the ticket because you would’ve taken a picture of the gap in the lines wish you then include in your rebuttal if you should get a ticket.
How about you just don’t illegally park on a major thoroughfare in and out of the city instead of acting like a selfish Pillock.
Not a lawyer but statutory interpretation would say the intention of the line is unmistakable and a person using this as an excuse is clearly attempt to create a absurd result.
The likely outcome would be you’d still get fine, and the council would be ordered to improve the markings.
The line / marking / signage work hasn’t finished yet
Plus the red route isn’t enforcable until April so a couple of weeks left to finish everything off
I’d rather see them come up with a solution to all the bins that have to be left on the pavements along that road. Always covered in rubbish from foxes and seagulls, it’s a full on obstacle course.
Open top bins and easily accessed ones are the prime causes. I’d start by addressing any broken bin lids, get them reported, and ask your Ward Cllrs to chase up and establish a timeline for this to happen.
There’s also the option, a bit more expensive, but to cut into the road, and create a MetroSTOR style bin collection point. Self contained units prevent loose rubbish and animals, and can be developed aesthetically.
Time for Mass Non Compliance!
You want to do a Donald Trump aka Capitol Building fiasco? Poor choice of words for someone hoping to be a candidate, you should know better.
I agree with Leon, there are plenty of places where we need to keep clear to allow better flow of traffic. This isn’t a new concept either, we are often referred to as London by the Sea, and Red Routes are a very clear and easily implemented option.
Not everywhere of course; some areas may just work better with a different layout, and some that would struggle if it was changed without a plan.
Take somewhere like Amberly Close and the surrounding roads – it works mainly because of pavement parking, considering the bus route, you’d be very hard pushed to squeeze one of those through if people parked normally on both sides.
Just to earn little more from driver council down on money . 2 million a year from parking it’s not enough need couple millions from penalty charge also . Be careful driver there is cameras on double red so if you park they just send you pictures with your plate number to your address and penalty.
Who is this Benjamin bloke and why is he so interminably annoying?
Our Benjamin comes up with some valid points of view that sometimes can’t be challenged.
Sometimes! Plenty of people have given me pause for thought before. I like to think I try to be open to amicable discourse.
Hi Benjamin, likewise. I do like a good debate. Equally you’ve given me somethings to consider.
I agree with keeping traffic flowing, but as usual there a penalty charge involved.
Business are suffering due to people not heading into Brighton any more with the high parking charges everywhere, that is if you can find anywhere to park.
Take st James Street, I used to shop there all thw time. There is no where there now to park its all been made into extra wide pavements. My friends business shut cause there is not a great foot fall and with the parking gone it’s made it u sutanible. Brighton Council seem to just be on money grabbing at the moment. Brighton born and bread and have moved to the outskirts cause of the state of Brighton mow with the way the roads are all messed up and yhe expensive parking and bus fares.
Not a great place to live anymore. 😕
As for London Road. It’s all cafes now or takeaways as they destroyed the shopping down there, boots has gone, Iceland,peacoks,Clarke,bonmarxhe. And plenty plenty more
First delivery truck to get a fine then they have a choice to make. A/ put it on the shopkeeper B/don’t stop to top up the shop then they all closedown.
Well done Brighton counsellors you are well on the way to make another reason not to come to Brighton.
There are no Pink Lines in the Highway Code and they are not going to stand up in a court of law. Ignore.
Pink Routes for Brighton, lol!
So when is your case challenging the colour of the lines up for a court hearing Barry?
If the rules are to be enforced so heavily and with no mercy, then it needs to apply to cyclists too.
It’s past time to tackle the nuisance of rogue cyclists with no lights and dark clothes at night, with no regard for traffic or pedestrians, on roads, pavements, and zebra crossings when they decide they want to swap from being a road user to a pedestrian, and never giving way to pedestrians on the seafront, even though their cycle lanes are clearly marked with Give Way marks at pedestrian crossings.
If these rules for motorists are to fine us at every turn, then it needs to apply to ALL road users. This has all gone far enough in one direction.
I always toyed with the idea of number plates for bikes. I think one of the main reasons for bad cycling behaviour is the sense of anonymity that comes with it.
The idea of number plates on bikes really wouldn’t work in practice.
The costs involved in setting up the administration would be eye watering. Would a child need to register a bike and have a number plate. We have two vehicles in our household and six bikes. I’ve had this idea to address the identification problem. Cyclists should have post codes on their bikes, similar to a cars number. BN1 9OO 24. What do you think of that idea.
To be honest, I think some cyclists just haven’t thought about what their doing. I think a lack of training and awareness is the problem. I don’t think many think ‘I can get away with this, so I’m going to go through a red light’. I think they just do it without much thought at all.
I once challenged a couple of cyclists who had come up a one way street the wrong way. They just happened to stop at the cafe I was sitting outside. ‘Oh we didn’t know it was a one way’ They didn’t drive and never read the highway code so didn’t know what the signs meant.
Hmm, lack of education on road rules is a good point to make. I’d expand on that and say that’s potentially where a lot of risk comes from when I see L-plate motorbikes, in my experience.
I respectfully disagree with some common knowledge things though, I think most people know that they shouldn’t go through a red light, and obey all traffic signs. Rule 69, if I remember correctly. (Nice.)
I agree with most of what you say.
On the subject of motorbikes and ‘L’ plates. Some not all riders actually hold full car licences, they can ride anything up to a 124 without additional training or ‘L’ plates. 125 you will need to take a CBT test/training that lasts for two years.